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Our First Rental House Plunge

Wednesday, May 22nd, 2013

By Terry & Angy Sprouse

 

We (Terry & Angy) are partners in both marriage and in real estate business.

Who says married couples can’t be business partners? And the great thing is we have never considered divorce . . . murder sometimes, but never divorce. Well, never murder, really, but maybe forcing each other to watch, in an uninterrupted viewing, the horrifyingly bad movie, The Clan of the Cave Bear.

In reality, this business has been a bonding experience, not only for us, as husband and wife, but also for our two boys, who have been active participants in the business from the very beginning.

9/11 Attacks Take the Starch Out of Us

We started in real estate investing following the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center. The ensuing economic recession forced our hand. The hours at Terry’s job were drastically reduced. We realized that for the security of our family, we needed to have a business on the side—a business able to provide regular cash flow in case Terry’s 9 to 5 job suddenly went away.

This led Terry to experience a very intensive period of soul searching and in-depth research (accompanied by gratuitous whining and moping). We decided that a rental house business was the best way to go. We were excited to find the rental business was an easy business to learn and to start. This business required no special license, degree, or training. And the results tempered the most important source of Terry’s whining. The rental business offered the potential to make money.

We Jump In and Hope the Net Appears

We essentially just jumped in with good intentions and very little practical knowledge. After we made up our minds that this is what we wanted to do, we simply bought an inexpensive fixer-upper house, one that had foreclosed and been repossessed by a bank. We moved into and lived in the fixer-upper house while we did the necessary repairs.

But most importantly, we did not sell our original home. We rented it out.

Angy Puts Her Foot Down – On Top of Terry’s Foot

It took a little adjustment to move into that first fixer-upper house. The first thing we did was to get one of the bathrooms back into working condition. Angy’s negotiating stance on that topic was, “I’m not living in that house unless at least one bathroom is fully operational!” At that, who could argue? Marveled by a mother’s logic, together Terry and the boys nodded their heads and dropped the labeled empty plastic bottles they held in their hand into the Recycle Box.

As we went forward with the repairs, we changed bedrooms frequently. Moving from room to room, we cleared out of one bedroom to install tile and then moved again out of the next to make room to install carpet. Huffing and puffing, we moved furniture from one side to the next as we worked through the house painting all the walls. We replaced the cabinets in the kitchen, the fixtures in the bath, the leaky plumbing and the outdated lighting.

Group Hugs

Preparing meals required serious creativity. Entertainment and rest required the same. But the support and flexibility from all family members, and a few timely “group hugs” (some through gritted teeth), got us through.

 

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Recommended reading:

Remove that Garbarge Disposal Now!

6 Steps to Roof Maintenance (for the Home that will Turn Into a Rental House)

How I Evicted A Problem Tenant in 4 Steps

When to Hire a House Inspector – Radio Interview with Rich Peterson

Getting Rid of Bad Tenants

“Turn your home into a rental” on Mark Wayne Show

7 Reasons to Live in a Fixer-Upper House While You Repair It

6 Steps to Roof Maintenance (for the Home that will Turn Into a Rental House)

Our First Rental House Plunge

10 Most Frequent Problems Found by House Inspectors

5 Steps to Get Your House Ready to Rent by Terry Sprouse

5 Steps to take if your house is flooded

Some perfectly legal ways to maximize your rental profits

Add “Start a Rental House Business” to Your Bucket List

The 5 Rules on How to Lose Money and Get Your Rental Property Trashed by Tenants

Window Repair with #2 Son

Required Roof Maintenance for Fixer Upper Houses

Learn to Repair Your Fixer Upper Houses

How I Got Started In Fixer-Upper Houses

How to learn to operate a fixer upper house business

The Peaceful Warrior and Fixer-Upper Houses

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What Riles Me Up – How to be a great radio show guest

Wednesday, October 3rd, 2012

Yesterday, I participated in a telephone seminar on “how to be a good guest on radio shows.” I have been on many radio shows to promote my books, but I’m always looking for new ways to be a better guest, or perhaps more appropriately, a greater guest.

One point that the presenter mentioned really struck me. He said that radio shows prefer guests who have a strong opinion. They want you to be riled up about something.

Not gonna take it.

The presenter asked, “Why are you angry? What are you going to do about it? What makes you angry about your profession?”

I told the presenter, “I buy fixer upper houses in Arizona and turn them into rental properties, and I write books, but I’m not really angry about anything.”

He said, “Aren’t you angry about the economy, or the fact that a lot of Canadians are buying up foreclosed houses in Arizona?”

I said, “No way.

Let me entertain you, eh?

Sure, our Canadian friends have infiltrated the entertainment industry with singers, actors, and comedians practically indistinguishable from their American counterparts, but they don’t buy fixer upper houses, which is my gig; and the recession makes houses cheaper for me to buy.

But, I was angry when I had my work hours reduced during the 2001 recession. That forced me to change my way of thinking about what constituted economic security, and got me started on my fixer-upper house business. That’s also motivated me write my first book.

Looking back, I was wrong to be riled up at the recession. What I should have been riled up at was my own blindness and misplaced faith in something as ephemeral as a steady economy. I should have been riled up that I waited for a disaster to strike before I took action.

Maybe my approach should be that I am riled up about other people who don’t learn from their own painful experience, or from mine. Not that everyone should run out and buy fixer-upper houses, but everyone should  establish economic security, or carve out their niche, apart from, or in addition to, their 9-5 job.”

He replied, after a thoughtful pause, “maybe that’s it … people who never plan for a safety net.

This is the major problem we are seeing … if people prepared, they wouldn’t be so panicked.”

So that’s it.

Now I have something to be riled up about; to express my rightful indignation over.

Preparing for my next  radio interview

Watch out!

When I hit the radio waves to promote my next book I’ll come out swinging! Grrrr!

Weekly Blog Roundup

Additional recent blog articles that I liked:

How to make a vacant property look occupied at Landlord Investor

Amazing Entrepreneurs – Interview With Diane Conklin at Louisville Gals

5 Thoughts Women Wish Men Knew and Theodore Roosevelt at Fearless Men

5 Easy Methods to Save Money without Thinking at Frugal Habits

Greek Hummus Dip Recipe at Work Save Live  (mmmm)

PoP Balance Sheet – September 2012 at Planting Our Pennies

What Happens to Kids Who Were Bullied? at Blue Collar Workman (Are you looking at me?)

GRE Tips: Acing The GRE As A Middle Aged Person Long After College at Untemplater

Tax Implications Of Running A Blog at Modest Money

Why buying the most expensive motorcycle on Ebay saved me money at Reach Financial Independence

Too Old To Have This Much Crap at Any Shiny Thing

Rental Property Series: How Much Did it Cost at Eyes on the Dollar

Extra Income During the Holidays at Making Sense of Cents

 

Coming Soon!

How to Turn Your Home into a Rental House, Instead of Selling It

How I Got Started In Fixer-Upper Houses

Tuesday, May 1st, 2012

The intrepid Sharon Vornholt, of Louisville Gals Real Estate Blog, interviewed me last week about my book (Fix em Up Rent em Out) and how I got started in my fixer-upper house business. Today she posted the interview on her website. It’s entitled “Escaping the 9 To 5; How I Did It Interview With Terry Sprouse.”

I encourage you to check out some of the other interviews that Sharon has conducted with several real estate investors. Its always interesting for me to hear how other people operate their businesses.

Upcoming Speaking Engagement

I will also be making a presentation to the Arizona Network of Real Estate Investors. Mark your calendars.

Where:
Fidelity National Title, 6760 N. Oracle Road, Suite 100, Tucson, AZ

When:
June 7th, 2012

Time:
Meeting begins at 5:30 pm, presentation at 6:00 pm

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Why You Must Own Certain Real Estate Books

Thursday, April 5th, 2012

The fixer-upper house business is a great business to be in these days. But, if you are just starting out, and are as green as a gourd, as I was, you need some help.

To speed up the learning processes, you need to have a collection of reference books on home repair, buying and selling houses, rental properties, tax law and all other aspects of real estate.

If a home without books is like a body without a soul, then a fixer-upper business without reference books is like a cook without a cookbook.

You may not know everything at the start of your new business and you may need help in some areas, especially in the initial stages. However, each time you pay to have someone do work for you, or go through some new process, you should observe everything, ask questions and learn the process.

That way, the next time you will be able to do it yourself, or at least perform a larger part of the project. The key is to keep doing things over and over until you master how it works. You will eventually reach a point where you make decisions of where to make repairs and which houses to buy based on your instinct.

Books will help you to reach that point sooner.

Here are some books that I have found particularly useful to have on hand:

1. Fix em Up, Rent em Out, by yours truly. Yes, believe it or not, I read my own book! Anyone who says otherwise, is just itching for a fight.

2. Investing in Fixer Uppers, by Jay DeCima. His first, and still my favorite, of his books.

3. Investing in Real Estate, by Gary Eldred.

4. Arizona Landlord’s Deskbook (or the equivalent for your state.) by Carlton Casler.

5. Real Estate Debt Can Make You Rich, by Steve Dexter.

6. Wiring 1-2-3, by Home Depot

7. Plumbing 1-2-3, by Home Depot

8. Tiling 1-2-3, by Home Depot. Are you getting the impression that I like the Home Depot books? In addition to mastering the art of tile installation, I made my first grout repair after reading this book.

9. Fix it Yourself Manual, by Reader’s Digest.

10. Upside Up Real Estate Investing, by Bob Zachmeier (teacher of the first real estate class that I took).

How to learn to operate a fixer upper house business

Wednesday, March 28th, 2012

Learn the Ropes

My wife and I didn’t know much about repairing houses before we started our fixer-upper business, but like fine wine, we got better as time went on. One important rule in the fix-up profession is that you must constantly strive to become self-sufficient and learn all aspects of the profession. You must become an expert in your new business, even if you only do it part-time.

You can learn from others, but you have to rely on yourself to get ahead. Like the novice swimmer who is tossed in the pool, sometimes it’s sink or swim. You must learn by doing.

Trust Your Own Judgment

There are times when destiny forces you down a certain path in life. Other times, you make you own destiny by choosing to walk down a difficult path.

My plan when I bought my first fix-up house was that I could learn as I went along. I thought if others had learned to do it, so could I.

When I bought my fist fix-up house, it was like being stranded on a desert island. I was forced to learn new skills to survive, like Robinson Crusoe. The best way to learn new skills is by putting yourself in a situation where you are forced to change and adapt.

Before embarking on his life-transforming mission, the hero in the book Dune was advised, “Unless you change, something inside you sleeps.”

Foreclosure Update

The bank accepted someone else’s bid over mine for the foreclosed property that I bid on. My new target property is a 3 bed, 3 bath townhouse that is being offered for $69,900.

In this market, persistance is the name of the game. You just have to keep looking and keep bidding until you land a property at the price you desire.

 

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Security in Retirement with Fixer-Uppers

Monday, February 20th, 2012

Are you like me and never socked much money away for retirement? We are not alone. The Employee Benefit Research Institute’s Annual Retirement Confidence Survey found that pre-retirees (Americans between the ages of 55 and 65) greatly underestimate how long they are likely to live and how much money they will need in retirement.

Experts say that we need to change our mindset from “assets” to “income” in retirement planning. It’s not enough to know how much money we have in savings; we need to know how much income our savings can generate over time.

There is no better way to change our mindset and our portfolio from “assets” to “income” than by investing in real estate. If we invest wisely before we retire, and can have a stable of reliable rental properties that generate steady monthly income. We can look forward to a retirement that provides security instead of uncertainty.


Don’t rely on politicians to provide you with retirement security. If you want it done right, you must do it yourself.

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Control Your Thoughts & Reach Your Dreams

Monday, October 25th, 2010

What things do you actually have control over in your life?

When you think about it, there are actually very few things that we can control.

For example, I was forced to give up my dream of boxing. I ruined my hands in the ring. The referee kept stepping on them.

We are required to buy insurance for our cars and houses. The kids must go to school and have supplies and clothes. We choose food, cars and most consumer goods based on the advertisements we see on television. Different levels of government and social pressures decide many things for us, or leave us with limited options to choose from.

And, it doesn’t get any better as time moves on. It seems the older we get, the fewer choices that we have. Men still chase women when they get older, but only downhill.

The One Thing We Control

Napoleon Hill says that we have control over but one thing, the ability to control our own thoughts. This is the most significant and inspiring of all human traits. It is part of our divine nature. This divine tool is the sole way to control your own destiny.

Mind control is the result of self-discipline and habit. You either control it or it controls you. The most effective way to control your mind is by keeping it busy with a definite purpose, supported by a clear plan.

The Ultimate Question

A lot of people I know have read Think and Grow Rich, and they say that they think it is a great book. But, very few know the answer to the following question.

What does Napoleon Hill say that you must do twice daily in order to make your desires become reality?

On page 36 of my copy of Think and Grow Rich, Napoleon Hill says that you should have:

1.) written a concise statement of what you want,

2.) how you plan to get it, and

3.) when you will get it,

then you should read your written statement aloud twice daily, once before retiring at night and once after arising in the morning.

What Does This Have to Do With Real Estate?

In the early 2000’s, I thought my job was going to be cut and I that would be unemployed. I decided I needed a steady second income so I wouldn’t have to rely on my 8:00 to 5:00 job to bring home the bacon .

After I concluded that buying fixer upper houses and renting them out was the best second income for me, I wrote down my desire on a piece of paper and carried it around in my wallet.

I wrote, ” I will find and buy a fixer-upper house in the next 60 days.” In less than a month, I found and bought my first fixer upper house, and that was my start in this business.

That was the first time I experienced the power of this technique. I have had many subsequent successes with the technique as well.

Like most of us. you have ideas and dreams. But, if you go beyond just identifying them and you write them down, and put your passion into them, they are more likely to come true.

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Do tenants pay utilities, and how much for damage deposit

Saturday, October 16th, 2010

Here is another letter that I recently received that asks some pertinent and common questions related operating a fixer upper house business, that I would like to share with you.

Dear Terry,

We’re moving along towards renting out our first rental house…and I was reading your month-to-month lease agreement from the Never Sell Your Home book– it looks very good and we plan on using much of it, but I did have a few questions:

1) What % of the monthly rent do you require as a security deposit?

2) Should the Lessee(s) be responsible for all utilities, or should I pay the utilities for them?

Thanks for your help – !

Steve Klausman
Santa Fe

Dear Steve,

Congrats on your progress in preparing to rent our your first house. Don’t get discouraged if it’s rough sledding at first, the first house is the one that you learn the most from.

Security Deposit

In answer to your first question, the amount that I charge for security deposit is the amount of one month’s rent. So if the monthly rent is $900, the security deposit is also $900.

Some tenants may have trouble coming up with both the rent and the security deposit at the same time, in this case, a tidy sum of $1,800. So, I sometimes let them pay the security deposit over the course of 2 months, to make it easier on them.

Since you are just starting in the business, something to do from the beginning is to keep the security deposit and the monthly rental money from your business in a separate bank account from your personal bank account. The IRS doesn’t like to see the funds mixed together.

Who Pays Utilities?

In answer to your second question. I always have the tenants pay all the utilities themselves. Not only does it encourage them to conserve, but it vastly simplifies the process for you. Also, I have the tenants put the utility accounts in their own name, so that I’m not liable for their expenses.

In most states, you can sign up for a “Landlord Agreement Account” with the utility companies that allows you to switch the accounts to the tenants and back, with less paperwork and expense.

As you move along feel free to send me more questions as they arise.

Your (self-appointed) personal rental-home consultant,

Terry

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Turn Your House into a Rental Property: Podcast of radio interview with Dan Ramey

Thursday, September 23rd, 2010

Here is my radio interview with Dan Ramey of WBEX in Chillicothie, Ohio.

I described the process that I use to turn a house into a rental property. I advocate that people use this when they are ready to buy a new house. Instead of selling their old house, they should just turn it into a rental property.

The average American buys 7 houses during their lifetime. If they kept all their old houses as rentals, they would have a pretty substantial monthly income by the time they retired.

Interview with Dan Ramey 09-15-2010

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How to Turn Your Home into a Rental Property – Radio Interview with Ron Ross

Thursday, August 26th, 2010

I was interviewed by the engaging, master radio host, Ron Ross of WJBC 1230 AM in Bloomington, Illinois this morning.

I talked about how to turn a home into a rental property, including:

– how to do the financing

– getting good tenants

– taking advantage of tax breaks

– and preparing the old house to rent.

Before the show I heard Ron going through the news and he said that ratings were so bad at CBS that Katie Couric was showing up to work in sweat pants, a tank top and a ball cap too.

So, during the interview, I mentioned that one of the advantages of working with rental properties was, like Katie Couric, I can show up to work in sweat pants and a ball cap.

Listen to the entire radio interview.

Upcoming radio interviews

September 2 at 7:40 am, Good Morning Rochester with Rich Peterson, KROC 1340 AM, Rochester, Minnesota.

September 2 at 11:25 am, John Brown’s Mindset, KTRS 550 AM, St. Louis, Missouri.

September 15 at 8:05 am, the Dan and Mike Show with Dan Ramey, WBEX 1490 AM, Chillicothe, Ohio.